[Gmecm] SAturn engine swap

Jeff Silva low_sl2
Wed Nov 30 02:38:01 UTC 2005 

Adam Chant?  He's kind of a tool.  Not a good tool.  More like a garden
tool...

I'll search the archives.  But if he was the one asking questions, I'm
sure it's all screwed up.

Jeff Silva
DifferentRacing.com


--- Jay Vessels <jay at vessels-clan.com> wrote:

> Hi there!
> 
> Jeff, have you done any archive surfing on this?  There was at least
> one 
> guy that was hacking the Saturn PCM a few years ago.  The name Adam
> is 
> rattling around in my head for some reason.
> 
> Jay Vessels
> 1982 Chevrolet S-10 Sport, 2.8V6 TBI
> 1984 Chevrolet S-10 Blazer Sport, 2.8V6 (TBI pending)
> 
> Jeff Silva wrote:
> > Oh.  This isn't for the race car.  I'm working with several people
> to
> > hack the Saturn PCM.  The problem we're having is the Saturn PCM is
> > it's own design.  It seems to have it's own code and it's own ALDL
> data
> > which is totally different from everything else.  So we're working
> to
> > try and figure this all out so we can make some kind of software to
> > make adjustments to the fuel/spark tables, rev limts, speed limters
> and
> > etc.
> > 
> > We're using a Haltech E6X on the race car.  I got it to work with
> the
> > stock igintion controller so it's a plug-and-play deal.
> > 
> > If anyone can help us to figure out the Saturn PCM we'd be greatly
> > appreciative.
> > 
> > Thanks
> > 
> > Jeff Silva
> > DifferentRacing.com
> > 
> > --- WopOnTour <wopontour at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> >>From: "WopOnTour" <wopontour at hotmail.com>
> >>To: <webmaster at differentracing.com>,
> >>	<gmecm at diy-efi.org>
> >>Subject: Re: [Gmecm] SAturn engine swap
> >>Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 22:31:50 -0700
> >>
> >>Hi Jeff :)
> >>
> >>Does your class of racing require you to keep the Saturn ECM/PCM?
> >>
> >>If not, why not save your hair and go with a 1227727, 1227730 or
> >>maybe 749??
> >>
> >>These boxes are readily available, with well documented bin/ecu
> >>files, and 
> >>compatible with a 4cyl speed density platform running boost.
> However
> >>IFAIK 
> >>much of the initial decompile required to get them to this point 
> >>necessitated certain "leaked" details that GM/Delco couldn't keep
> the
> >>lid 
> >>on. I have never seen such details available for the Saturn
> >>calibrations 
> >>however. They could be out there... somewhere...but...
> >>
> >>I understand your brand devotion, I truly do, but IMO you could be
> a
> >>couple 
> >>years away from getting the code sorted. I went though all this
> with 
> >>Bradley.P a few years back- I think he had an aneurism trying to do
> >>it all 
> >>alone.
> >>
> >>Not trying to deter your efforts in any way shape or form but...
> >>
> >>Regards
> >>
> >>WopOnTour
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>PS> Have you looked at the MS for the older Saturns? another
> >>potential 
> >>option, if you can go stand-alone in your class
> >>
> >>
> >>----- Original Message ----- 
> >>From: "Jeff Silva" <low_sl2 at yahoo.com>
> >>To: <gmecm at diy-efi.org>
> >>Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 8:04 PM
> >>Subject: Re: [Gmecm] SAturn engine swap
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>We have a guy talking to TunerCat right now.  They don't seem to
> >>>ecstatic about it.  I've been thinking of throwing some money
> their
> >>
> >>way
> >>
> >>>but I dont like to give a company money to make something that
> >>
> >>they'll
> >>
> >>>turn around and make money off of.  Which means I just paid for
> >>
> >>their
> >>
> >>>R&D.
> >>>
> >>>Jeff Silva
> >>>DifferentRacing.com
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>--- David Allen <davida1 at hiwaay.net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>  Have you e-mailed TunerCat?  They have some def files that are
> >>
> >>not
> >>
> >>>>listed
> >>>>on the "supported ECM" list. They had a 2-bar def for the little
> >>>>1226869 I
> >>>>am using in my car, but it is not listed on the site. As many
> >>
> >>Saturns
> >>
> >>>>as are
> >>>>out there, surely TunerCat would have a demand for this
> >>
> >>definition.
> >>
> >>>>   Good luck with the turbo.  I ran into this buying what was
> >>>>supposedly a
> >>>>Spal (http://www.spalusa.com) radiator fan but it was a Chinese
> >>>>counterfeit.
> >>>>The motor was half the size of the real thing, and the plastic
> >>
> >>molded
> >>
> >>>>fan
> >>>>rotor was warped and out of balance.
> >>>>  After being exposed to the heat of a radiator, the rotor warped
> >>
> >>so
> >>
> >>>>badly
> >>>>it got in the radiator. Thankfully the plastic was so cheap and
> >>
> >>soft
> >>
> >>>>it
> >>>>deformed before cutting the radiator core.
> >>>>  And it was SUPER weak and would barely cool the 305 engine.
> >>
> >>Running
> >>
> >>>>the
> >>>>A/C was WAY out of the question...
> >>>>  You could see where they had taken a real Spal fan and used it
> >>
> >>for
> >>
> >>>>a
> >>>>pattern to make a mold.  The Spal logo was still slightly
> visible,
> >>
> >>as
> >>
> >>>>were
> >>>>CAST IN vestiges of where the fan they copied had balancing
> >>
> >>weights
> >>
> >>>>on it.
> >>>>The fake one had cast-in "bumps" that were shaped like clip-on
> >>>>balance
> >>>>weights. Unreal.
> >>>>  Later,
> >>>>David
> >>>>
> >>>>----- Original Message ----- 
> >>>>From: "Jeff Silva" <low_sl2 at yahoo.com>
> >>>>To: <gmecm at diy-efi.org>
> >>>>Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 5:55 PM
> >>>>Subject: Re: [Gmecm] SAturn engine swap
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>Thanks for checking out our website.  We aim to please. ;)
> >>>>>
> >>>>>We're still trying to get that company to take this turbo back.
> >>>>
> >>>>But
> >>>>
> >>>>>they're not answering their e-mails or phones.  So I'm stuck
> >>
> >>with a
> >>
> >>>>>$205 freight bill for this turbo...
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Now can someone help me with this .BIN file I have of a Saturn
> >>>>
> >>>>EPROM?
> >>>>
> >>>>>:)
> >>>>>
> >>>>>http://www.differentracing.com/jeff/pcm/94_dohc_fed.bin
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Jeff Silva
> >>>>>DifferentRacing.com
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>--- David Allen <davida1 at hiwaay.net> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>  Jeff, I like your Different Racing website! Found your
> >>
> >>Chinese
> >>
> >>>>>>turbo story
> >>>>>>particularly amusing. I can definately relate to that! I
> >>
> >>debated
> >>
> >>>>on
> >>>>
> >>>>>>wether
> >>>>>>to buy a Turbonetics unit or a knock-off and am glad I chose
> >>
> >>the
> >>
> >>>>real
> >>>>
> >>>>>>McCoy.
> >>>>>>Turbonetics knows their stuff and got me exactly the right
> >>
> >>turbo
> >>
> >>>>for
> >>>>
> >>>>>>the
> >>>>>>application.
> >>>>>>  Once you've done a certain job several times it goes
> >>
> >>quicker. I
> >>
> >>>>>>certainly
> >>>>>>see what you are claiming is possible on the engine R&I.
> >>>>>>  Years ago (highschool age) a friend and I pulled the 440-T4
> >>>>>>automatic
> >>>>>>transaxle out of a FWD Buick Lesabre.  We dropped it out
> >>
> >>below,
> >>
> >>>>>>letting the
> >>>>>>engine hang by 2x4 boards and chain.  It was a very dangerous
> >>>>>>exercise and
> >>>>>>we broke some parts in the process. I would never recommend
> >>
> >>this
> >>
> >>>>>>approach on
> >>>>>>such a heavy transmission.  It is easier to pull the
> >>
> >>drivetrain
> >>
> >>>>as an
> >>>>
> >>>>>>assy
> >>>>>>from above on these cars.
> >>>>>>  These cars have a large heavy 6 cyl engine and 4 speed auto
> >>>>
> >>>>trans.
> >>>>
> >>>>>>The
> >>>>>>board sagged and nothing lined back up.  We had to jack the
> >>>>
> >>>>engine
> >>>>
> >>>>>>around
> >>>>>>and shim up the board to get it back into position.  After the
> >>>>
> >>>>trans
> >>>>
> >>>>>>was
> >>>>>>reconnected with 2 bolts, the 2x4 broke.  The whole drivetrain
> >>>>
> >>>>fell
> >>>>
> >>>>>>into the
> >>>>>>engine cradle and very nearly knocked the car off the stands.
> >>
> >>It
> >>
> >>>>>>cracked one
> >>>>>>"ear" of the trans bellhousing and bent the driveplate.  The
> >>
> >>car
> >>
> >>>>ran
> >>>>
> >>>>>>but
> >>>>>>with a vibration in the engine.
> >>>>>>  After that fiasco, we borrowed an engine lift and pulled the
> >>>>>>assembly "the
> >>>>>>right way" to replace the bent driveplate.  Live and learn!
> >>>>>>David
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>----- Original Message ----- 
> >>>>>>From: "Jeff Silva" <low_sl2 at yahoo.com>
> >>>>>>To: <gmecm at diy-efi.org>
> >>>>>>Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 3:45 PM
> >>>>>>Subject: Re: [Gmecm] SAturn engine swap
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Like I said before.  I've done this over a dozen times.  It
> >>
> >>can
> >>
> >>>>be
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>done.  You just use a load tilter.  It's easy.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Jeff Silva
> >>>>>>>DifferentRacing.com
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>--- Andrew Gibson <andrewsharyn at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>Little tilt huh? Then why need the load tilter? I would
> >>
> >>like
> >>
> >>>>to
> >>>>
> >>>>>>see
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>any virgin engine get pulled out of a fwd car in less than
> >>
> >>1
> >>
> >>>>hour
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>without breaking anything in the process. Now offence Jeff
> >>>>
> >>>>but
> >>>>
> >>>>>>what
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>you are describing time wise is just not possible. Maybe
> >>
> >>you
> >>
> >>>>>>could
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>tilt the motor enough to get it out the top. But that is
> >>>>
> >>>>still a
> >>>>
> >>>>>>lot
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>of work. I'll stick to dropping them out the bottom.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>  Oh, by the way I live in Utah. And I need to pull the
> >>
> >>motor
> >>
> >>>>out
> >>>>
> >>>>>>of
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>my donor truck this weekend before it snows again. I would
> >>>>
> >>>>like
> >>>>
> >>>>>>to
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>see pictures of how much tilt it take to get these out the
> >>>>
> >>>>top
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>though.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>  Just for the record, Cinder blocks stacked in a pyramid
> >>>>
> >>>>with
> >>>>
> >>>>>>the
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>open end up and 2x4 on top to keep the pinchweld from
> >>
> >>digging
> >>
> >>>>>>into
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>the mortar are far more stable than any jackstand out
> >>
> >>there.
> >>
> >>>>>>>>Something about a wider base....
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