[Gmecm] Re: Gmecm Digest, Vol 12, Issue 6

Mike Kilpatrick kmkenneth
Tue Feb 7 18:59:10 UTC 2006 

I think a forum would be a great idea.  I have a 2002 Cadillac Seville STS 
with a v8 Northstar engine.  I cannot find ONE bit of information on this 
car and I have read on several other groups about the interest in tweaking 
the horsepower.  A search engine and archives would be great I think.

Mike
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Subject: Gmecm Digest, Vol 12, Issue 6


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>   1. Re: comments on reorganizing lists (Dave Mumert)
>   2. Re: comments on reorganizing lists (Scott Pearson)
>   3. Re: comments on reorganizing lists (Programmer)
>   4. Re: comments on reorganizing lists (charles at taildragger.info)
>   5. Re: comments on reorganizing lists (Gary Evans)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 08:11:57 -0700
> From: "Dave Mumert" <dmumert at telusplanet.net>
> Subject: Re: [Gmecm] comments on reorganizing lists
> To: <gmecm at diy-efi.org>
> Message-ID: <010801c62bf8$d6b137e0$6697a8c0 at SDM>
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> Hi Steve
>
> phpBB with the Mail2Forum ( http://www.mail2forum.com/wiki/Main_Page ) mod
> allows email, email digests, a forum interface, and a file download 
> system.
>
> The Megasquirt forum  ( http://www.msefi.com ) uses this system.  I
> subscribe to only the topics I want to follow and browse the other topics
> using the web interface.
>
> Dave
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Steve Ravet" <Steve.Ravet at arm.com>
> To: <gmecm at diy-efi.org>; <diy_efi at diy-efi.org>; "efi_332"
> <efi332 at diy-efi.org>; <wbo2 at diy-efi.org>
> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 10:24 PM
> Subject: [Gmecm] comments on reorganizing lists
>
>
> I've thought about moving the lists to the forum style format that most
> other internet groups use -- corral.net, thirdgen, etc.  I've been
> opposed to this for some time, liking the email format these lists have
> always used.  So I've put together a list of what I think the pros and
> cons of each are and I'd like to solicit some discussion and opinions on
> whether a switch would be good or bad.
>
> email pros:
> 1)  new posts come to your inbox, or can be filtered to another box.
>
> email cons:
> 1)  surprisingly high bandwidth usage
> 2)  archive/search engine isn't automatic.
>
> forum pros:
> 1)  possibly lower bandwidth
> 2)  message context always available.  Don't have to depend on included
> replies or memory to know if the discussion started out about Ford or GM
> intakes, for example.
> 3)  archive/searching built in.
> 4)  sticky posts mean good information doesn't disappear into the
> archive abyss.
>
> forum cons:
> 1)  overly cute dancing smiley faces
> 2)  chatty
> 3)  no digest mode (?)
>
> The owner may be able to turn off dancing icons, and I don't know if the
> chatty-ness of other forums is due to the list membership or encouraged
> by the format.  An ideal solution may be like yahoo where you can sign
> up for email delivery of all posts if you want.  Note, I am not
> suggesting moving the lists to yahoo.
>
> If the switch is made I plan on having the same lists available,
> possibly dropping the diy_wb list since it's very low traffic and on
> topic for diy_efi.  I don't plan on having a lounge forum.
>
> Anyway, if you have an addition to the pros and cons listed above send
> it, and if you have an opinion on switching send that also.
>
> --steve
>
>
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> ------------------------------
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> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 10:11:01 -0600
> From: "Scott Pearson" <mrcad472 at iowatelecom.net>
> Subject: Re: [Gmecm] comments on reorganizing lists
> To: <gmecm at diy-efi.org>
> Message-ID: <01c901c62c01$1917afd0$6601a8c0 at DELL3G>
>
> I prefer email. I rarely browse forums, far prefer this style.
>
> Forum with email delivery? That wouldn't be bad.
>
> Scott
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Steve Ravet" <Steve.Ravet at arm.com>
> To: <gmecm at diy-efi.org>; <diy_efi at diy-efi.org>; "efi_332"
> <efi332 at diy-efi.org>; <wbo2 at diy-efi.org>
> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 11:24 PM
> Subject: [Gmecm] comments on reorganizing lists
>
>
>> I've thought about moving the lists to the forum style format that most
>> other internet groups use -- corral.net, thirdgen, etc.  I've been
>> opposed to this for some time, liking the email format these lists have
>> always used.  So I've put together a list of what I think the pros and
>> cons of each are and I'd like to solicit some discussion and opinions on
>> whether a switch would be good or bad.
>>
>> email pros:
>> 1)  new posts come to your inbox, or can be filtered to another box.
>>
>> email cons:
>> 1)  surprisingly high bandwidth usage
>> 2)  archive/search engine isn't automatic.
>>
>> forum pros:
>> 1)  possibly lower bandwidth
>> 2)  message context always available.  Don't have to depend on included
>> replies or memory to know if the discussion started out about Ford or GM
>> intakes, for example.
>> 3)  archive/searching built in.
>> 4)  sticky posts mean good information doesn't disappear into the
>> archive abyss.
>>
>> forum cons:
>> 1)  overly cute dancing smiley faces
>> 2)  chatty
>> 3)  no digest mode (?)
>>
>> The owner may be able to turn off dancing icons, and I don't know if the
>> chatty-ness of other forums is due to the list membership or encouraged
>> by the format.  An ideal solution may be like yahoo where you can sign
>> up for email delivery of all posts if you want.  Note, I am not
>> suggesting moving the lists to yahoo.
>>
>> If the switch is made I plan on having the same lists available,
>> possibly dropping the diy_wb list since it's very low traffic and on
>> topic for diy_efi.  I don't plan on having a lounge forum.
>>
>> Anyway, if you have an addition to the pros and cons listed above send
>> it, and if you have an opinion on switching send that also.
>>
>> --steve
>>
>>
>> -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are
>> confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended
>> recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the
>> contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy 
>> the
>> information in any medium.  Thank you.
>>
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>>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 09:15:54 -0700
> From: "Programmer" <lwester at lincsat.com>
> Subject: Re: [Gmecm] comments on reorganizing lists
> To: <gmecm at diy-efi.org>
> Message-ID: <002501c62c01$cc2cdf00$4250050a at WESTER2>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
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> I'd probably never frequent it...don't have time for 'forums' as it
> is...this list has always been unique this way.
>
> Lyndon
> Westers Garage
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Steve Ravet" <Steve.Ravet at arm.com>
> To: <gmecm at diy-efi.org>; <diy_efi at diy-efi.org>; "efi_332"
> <efi332 at diy-efi.org>; <wbo2 at diy-efi.org>
> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 10:24 PM
> Subject: [Gmecm] comments on reorganizing lists
>
>
>> I've thought about moving the lists to the forum style format that most
>> other internet groups use -- corral.net, thirdgen, etc.  I've been
>> opposed to this for some time, liking the email format these lists have
>> always used.  So I've put together a list of what I think the pros and
>> cons of each are and I'd like to solicit some discussion and opinions on
>> whether a switch would be good or bad.
>>
>> email pros:
>> 1)  new posts come to your inbox, or can be filtered to another box.
>>
>> email cons:
>> 1)  surprisingly high bandwidth usage
>> 2)  archive/search engine isn't automatic.
>>
>> forum pros:
>> 1)  possibly lower bandwidth
>> 2)  message context always available.  Don't have to depend on included
>> replies or memory to know if the discussion started out about Ford or GM
>> intakes, for example.
>> 3)  archive/searching built in.
>> 4)  sticky posts mean good information doesn't disappear into the
>> archive abyss.
>>
>> forum cons:
>> 1)  overly cute dancing smiley faces
>> 2)  chatty
>> 3)  no digest mode (?)
>>
>> The owner may be able to turn off dancing icons, and I don't know if the
>> chatty-ness of other forums is due to the list membership or encouraged
>> by the format.  An ideal solution may be like yahoo where you can sign
>> up for email delivery of all posts if you want.  Note, I am not
>> suggesting moving the lists to yahoo.
>>
>> If the switch is made I plan on having the same lists available,
>> possibly dropping the diy_wb list since it's very low traffic and on
>> topic for diy_efi.  I don't plan on having a lounge forum.
>>
>> Anyway, if you have an addition to the pros and cons listed above send
>> it, and if you have an opinion on switching send that also.
>>
>> --steve
>>
>>
>> -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are
>> confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended
>> recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the
>> contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy 
>> the
>> information in any medium.  Thank you.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Gmecm mailing list
>> Gmecm at diy-efi.org
>> http://lists.diy-efi.org/mailman/listinfo/gmecm
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 09:51:34 -0700 (MST)
> From: charles at taildragger.info
> Subject: Re: [Gmecm] comments on reorganizing lists
> To: gmecm at diy-efi.org
> Message-ID:
> <53301.205.175.225.5.1139331094.squirrel at www.taildragger.info>
> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1
>
> My opinion is probably not of much value since I don't contribute much to
> this list, but my preference is for forums.  The big benefit is automatic
> context-maintaining archiving and search capability.  Mailing list
> archiving is almost worthless, so everyone has to ask the same questions
> over and over.  Also, for those of us whose interests are cyclical (I'm
> not always involved in an EFI project), mailing list are less apropriate
> since we have to keep collecting E-mails or else unsubscribe and basically
> lose everything.  Forums let us catch up and also not waste other peoples'
> time as much with topics that have already been covered.
>
> With forums you can also post pictures, which comes in handy sometimes.
> Even if you can send pics on the mailing list, the archives will lose
> them.
>
> I manage a few lists myself and have found it difficult to convert to the
> forum format from lists.  I guess some people just like to have the
> content "pushed".  I've had limited success with hybrid mail/forum
> systems.  There is an add-on for phpBB called mail2forum that will send
> E-mails to the forum and mail out forum posts, but it is very limited in
> several ways.  First, all the E-mails will dump into the same board on the
> forum, so the typical categorization stuff is not really possible.
> Second, only so much can be done to get the mails into the proper forum
> threads.  In the end, an E-mail thread ends up split across multiple forum
> threads in many cases.
>
> I ended up using it anyway since I at least got a better archiving
> capability out of it, and maybe people will slowly wean over to the forum.
>
> FWIW
>
>> I prefer email. I rarely browse forums, far prefer this style.
>>
>> Forum with email delivery? That wouldn't be bad.
>>
>> Scott
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Steve Ravet" <Steve.Ravet at arm.com>
>> To: <gmecm at diy-efi.org>; <diy_efi at diy-efi.org>; "efi_332"
>> <efi332 at diy-efi.org>; <wbo2 at diy-efi.org>
>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 11:24 PM
>> Subject: [Gmecm] comments on reorganizing lists
>>
>>
>>> I've thought about moving the lists to the forum style format that most
>>> other internet groups use -- corral.net, thirdgen, etc.  I've been
>>> opposed to this for some time, liking the email format these lists have
>>> always used.  So I've put together a list of what I think the pros and
>>> cons of each are and I'd like to solicit some discussion and opinions on
>>> whether a switch would be good or bad.
>>>
>>> email pros:
>>> 1)  new posts come to your inbox, or can be filtered to another box.
>>>
>>> email cons:
>>> 1)  surprisingly high bandwidth usage
>>> 2)  archive/search engine isn't automatic.
>>>
>>> forum pros:
>>> 1)  possibly lower bandwidth
>>> 2)  message context always available.  Don't have to depend on included
>>> replies or memory to know if the discussion started out about Ford or GM
>>> intakes, for example.
>>> 3)  archive/searching built in.
>>> 4)  sticky posts mean good information doesn't disappear into the
>>> archive abyss.
>>>
>>> forum cons:
>>> 1)  overly cute dancing smiley faces
>>> 2)  chatty
>>> 3)  no digest mode (?)
>>>
>>> The owner may be able to turn off dancing icons, and I don't know if the
>>> chatty-ness of other forums is due to the list membership or encouraged
>>> by the format.  An ideal solution may be like yahoo where you can sign
>>> up for email delivery of all posts if you want.  Note, I am not
>>> suggesting moving the lists to yahoo.
>>>
>>> If the switch is made I plan on having the same lists available,
>>> possibly dropping the diy_wb list since it's very low traffic and on
>>> topic for diy_efi.  I don't plan on having a lounge forum.
>>>
>>> Anyway, if you have an addition to the pros and cons listed above send
>>> it, and if you have an opinion on switching send that also.
>>>
>>> --steve
>>>
>>>
>>> -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are
>>> confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended
>>> recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the
>>> contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy
>>> the
>>> information in any medium.  Thank you.
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Gmecm mailing list
>>> Gmecm at diy-efi.org
>>> http://lists.diy-efi.org/mailman/listinfo/gmecm
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 09:22:43 -0800
> From: Gary Evans <gary at garyandliz.com>
> Subject: Re: [Gmecm] comments on reorganizing lists
> To: gmecm at diy-efi.org
> Message-ID: <4EDAF22A-A916-4693-8C41-55831D33A58D at garyandliz.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed
>
> I don't contribute to this list much either, but I do "listen" a lot.
> I agree with that a froum style is superior for maintaining context
> of threads and preserving past discussions. The ability to search for
> answers to common questions is valuable.
>
> On the other hand, I much prefer the "push" feature of an e-mail
> based list. For the most part I just like to listen, and I am afraid
> I would be unlikely to do that if I had to open my web browser and go
> to a forum web site to check for new posts.
>
> Perhaps a hybrid approach is best. I would be quite satisfied with a
> forum system that optionally allowed email copies of posted messages
> to be sent out. In my opinion, this could be a one-way function; the
> ability to post messages to the forum via e-mail is not terribly
> important to me, I could always go to the forum site to post if the
> discussion warrants a reply.
>
> -Gary
>
>
>
>
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