Which WB O2 is Best??

[David LaRoe]

Bruce;

Thanks for all the good information.  I'll be lurking on the side and
waiting for the GB kits to become available.  Keep up your fine attention to
the list newbies.

Dave


----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruce" <nacelp at bright.net>
To: <diy_efi at diy-efi.org>
Sent: Monday, November 08, 1999 4:27 AM
Subject: Re: Which WB O2 is Best??


>
> From: "David LaRoe" <davidlaroe at home.com>
> Subject: Re: Which WB O2 is Best??
> > YES, As soon as I finish the electronics,  I will take a run at a full
> > functional test and a calibration procedure.
> > Speaking of the electronics,  what is the big secret about the price of
> our
> > GP kit.  As I understand the posts, Steve is only letting the people who
> > have bought the kit know what the price is!
>
> No, it's been mentioned before.
> I think it was $11.50
> The prices vary somewhat due to quanity ordered, so none of them are
written
> in stone.
>
> Let's not be bashful, let all
> > of the list members know what the price is including the PC board and
> case.
> > What I want to know is:
> > 1.  Can I buy a GP (including PC board and case) NOW?
>
> No.
> The is about volunteering, and folks do have a life, and don't have deep
> wallets to inventory things.  So you need to get involved, and watch the
> postings.  This is an ongoing project.   Also, the case I used was a Radio
> Shack item, mentioned in the archives.  This is all now just jelling, no
> one's had an affordable WB before, so it's not like your missing anything.
> Just take a deep breath and relax a little (in reference to the NOW).
>
> > 2.  If so, what is the "lead time" for delivery?
> > 3.  What is the PRICE?
>
> This is also been gone over.
> Boards on the first buy were 3.15.  Again since at cost prices vary.
>
> > I know that Steve D. is working himself to death on these GP kits but a
> > little group (total list) communication would be very helpful at this
> point.
>
> Now stop it.
> He's been doing alot of work, and invested a small fortune to do this.
> Don't pick him apart for his efforts.  If he wants to write or not, so be
> it.  Sorting out 50 pieces, and packing up hundreds of these kits is a
huge
> investment in time.  He needs to recovery his investment, so to him right
> now, packaging, and mailing kits is more important then the weekly thread
of
> what's new.
> Bruce
>
> > Dave LaRoe
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Bruce" <nacelp at bright.net>
> > To: <diy_efi at diy-efi.org>
> > Sent: Sunday, November 07, 1999 6:46 PM
> > Subject: Re: Which WB O2 is Best??
> >
> >
> > >
> > > From: David LaRoe
> > > Subject: Which WB O2 is Best??
> > > I am getting ready to order parts for the WB - O2 sensor.  While
pricing
> > the
> > > sensor itself, I have come up with a HUGE variance in price and three
> > > different manufactures.  The manufactures are:
> > > 1.  NTK (Seattle Honda (Dealer) - $330
> > > 2.  ECHLIN (NAPA Store) - $148.88
> > > 3.  ECHLIN (NAPA on line) - $139
> > > 4.  BOSH (Shuck's Auto Supply) - $99+Change
> > > Which one to buy?  Which is the highest quality (For 1996 models,
Honda
> > > Civics were recalled for defective O2 sensors)?
> > >
> > > They are all made by NTK.
> > >
> > > BTW, are there any, Group Buy, PCB boards and Parts Kits still
available
> > and
> > > what is the cost?  I think that if I am forced  to buy from other than
> our
> > > "Group Buy", I'll get Flamed and disowned by the group :-(  .  Also,
> does
> > > anyone have an inexpensive source of Bungs to weld into our exhaust
> system
> > > (S/S would be nice).
> > >
> > > Yes, buying the commercial version grounds for flames.
> > > You can get spark plug anti-foulers, and saw the end off and have a
bung
> > for
> > > just a couple bucks.
> > > If you were to look in the last months archives, there are numerous
> > postings
> > > about what stage the GPs are at.
> > >
> > > IMHO, We really need to develop a real functional test of the
> electronics
> > > prior to connecting the O2 sensor.  An O2 sensor simulator would be
> nice.
> > >
> > > So are you volunteering?.
> > > There are lots of things that others can do.
> > > I could dream up pages of stuff.  Just gets down to how much you
expect
> > > others to give.  And there are some prior postings with some of that
> info
> > > already.
> > >
> > > Also, IMHO, we need some way to calibrate our electronics for
> differences
> > > between O2 sensors.  The one output plot of sensor output, that I have
> > seen,
> > > does not give MFG tolerances (Is it +/-0.001% or +/- 30%?  Who
knows?).
> > Is
> > > the output linear from 800*C to ?*C ?  As good as Honda is, I would
> guess
> > > that they have some way to electronically compensate for this
> non-linear,
> > > analog device.
> > >
> > > Might again trying the archives.
> > > the DIY has been run in parrarel with several commercial units.
> > > Also the users agreement is very specific that this isn't a lab grade
> > > devise, if you want that presicion then this isn't for you.
> > > Bruce
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance for any advice you can give me on these subjects.
> > > Dave LaRoe
> > >
> >
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