[Diy_efi] TBI in boat
Scott Appe
scottappe at charter.net
Sun Aug 15 04:39:31 GMT 2004
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Tim,
I am using DECOMM DLL, a Delco CAL editor and HUD display. This is the =
same software Mercruiser used before they got away from GM and built =
there own EFI controller. I have the software to read Mefi 1, Mefi 2, =
Mefi 3, and Mefi 4. Mefi 1 thru 3 is the same software but different =
config and parameter files. Mefi 4 is different software. I am running =
Mefi 4 version 18 ecm, same as the ecm used on the Ramjet 350 crate =
engine with O2 sensor from GM Performance Parts. What application does =
the ecm you are using fit?
Scott
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Tim Eichhorn=20
To: 'A list for Do-It-Yourself EFI'=20
Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2004 9:06 PM
Subject: RE: [Diy_efi] TBI in boat
Scott,
I am using an AC Delco P/N AFS-105 (GM P/N 25312200); Which software =
are you using to edit calibrations? I have looked at Autigent. pretty =
pricey. Wish I could help with the O2 sensor config, but I have to get =
running first, probably will get it fired up Friday or sat. =20
Tim
-----Original Message-----
From: diy_efi-bounces at diy-efi.org [mailto:diy_efi-bounces at diy-efi.org] =
On Behalf Of Scott Appe
Sent: Friday, August 13, 2004 9:26 PM
To: A list for Do-It-Yourself EFI
Subject: Re: [Diy_efi] TBI in boat
Tim,
You mentioned you are working on a GM MEFI 4 fuel injection system. I =
have this system on my car and have been working on it for a while. Do =
you know how to run a wide band O2 on the MEFI 4 system? I see that the =
calibration can be setup for wide band, but do not know exactly which =
sensor or how to configure it.
Scott
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Tim Eichhorn=20
To: 'A list for Do-It-Yourself EFI'=20
Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 11:11 AM
Subject: RE: [Diy_efi] TBI in boat
I had a local machine shop mill one out of 1-1/4" Aluminum. I =
just took them a riser gasket as a pattern. My risers (Indmar) have =
water passages on all four sides. I just eliminated the water passage =
on the side where the O2 sensor will mount. Boats tend to run richer =
than cars. Depending on your calibration, you may never achieve closed =
loop parameters. The typical boat thermostat opens at 140 degrees, much =
cooler than a car. Your boat ECM may not play very well with your boat =
cam. Boat cams have a relatively narrow lobe separation angles and about =
10 degrees more exhaust duration than intake duration, this means lower =
vacuum, which in a TBI speed density system will make you run rich.
I think a truck based calibration would get you close. For tuning =
you would need a wide-band O2 sensor setup to customize your =
calibration, ts. The stock GM 350 TBI setup is only good up to about =
275 HP. If your make more than that, you will need to run w/ the Big =
block 670 CFM throttle body.
My experience is in Marine fuel injections based on GM MEFI =
controller. The system I am building is a MEFI 4 based port injected =
system. As far as tweeking the car ECMs there is an abundance of Cals, =
tuning software, and guys that know what they are doing. This setup =
will work; is just the calibrations available will not provide optimum =
horsepower.
Good luck.
Tim
-----Original Message-----
From: diy_efi-bounces at diy-efi.org =
[mailto:diy_efi-bounces at diy-efi.org] On Behalf Of Bill USN-1
Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2004 9:36 PM
To: 'A list for Do-It-Yourself EFI'
Subject: RE: [Diy_efi] TBI in boat
Can you put it in the exhaust cross over on the intake?
Bill
USN-1
-----Original Message-----
From: diy_efi-bounces at diy-efi.org =
[mailto:diy_efi-bounces at diy-efi.org] On Behalf Of Wallace O. Powelle
Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2004 10:26 PM
To: diy_efi at diy-efi.org
Subject: [Diy_efi] TBI in boat
I'm going to put a TBI system of of a 305 chevy on my Volvo Penta =
305. Any advice or words of warning would be appreciated. Should I be =
able to get by with the factory prom, Is there a built in rev limit, =
does anyone know of a source for a spacer to install O2 sensor between =
manifold & riser? Thanx, Wallace=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tim,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I am using DECOMM DLL, a Delco CAL =
editor and=20
HUD display. This is the same software Mercruiser used before they =
got=20
away from GM and built there own EFI controller. I have the =
software to=20
read Mefi 1, Mefi 2, Mefi 3, and Mefi 4. Mefi 1 thru 3 is the same =
software but different config and parameter files. Mefi 4 is =
different=20
software. I am running Mefi 4 version 18 ecm, same as=20
the ecm used on the Ramjet 350 crate engine with O2 sensor from GM=20
Performance Parts. What application does the ecm you are using=20
fit?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Scott</FONT></DIV>
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an AC=20
Delco P/N AFS-105 (GM P/N 25312200); Which software are you using to =
edit=20
calibrations? I have looked at Autigent=85 pretty pricey. =
Wish I=20
could help with the O2 sensor config, but I have to get running first, =
probably will get it fired up Friday or sat. </SPAN></FONT></P>
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working on a=20
GM MEFI 4 fuel injection system. I have this system on my car =
and have=20
been working on it for a while. Do you know how to run a wide =
band O2 on=20
the MEFI 4 system? I see that the calibration can be setup for =
wide=20
band, but do not know exactly which sensor or how to configure=20
it.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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[Diy_efi] TBI in boat</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT =
face=3DArial color=3Dnavy=20
size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">I=20
had a local machine shop mill one out of 1-1/4=94 Aluminum. =
I just=20
took them a riser gasket as a pattern. My risers (Indmar) =
have water=20
passages on all four sides. I just eliminated the water =
passage on=20
the side where the O2 sensor will mount. Boats tend to run richer =
than=20
cars. Depending on your calibration, you may never achieve =
closed=20
loop parameters. The typical boat thermostat opens at 140 =
degrees,=20
much cooler than a car. Your boat ECM may not play very well =
with=20
your boat cam. Boat cams have a relatively narrow lobe separation =
angles=20
and about 10 degrees more exhaust duration than intake duration, =
this=20
means lower vacuum, which in a TBI speed density system will make =
you run=20
rich.</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT =
face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT =
face=3DArial color=3Dnavy=20
size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">I=20
think a truck based calibration would get you close. For =
tuning you=20
would need a wide-band O2 sensor setup to customize your =
calibration,=20
ts. The stock GM 350 TBI setup is only good up to about 275=20
HP. If your make more than that, you will need to run w/ the =
Big=20
block 670 CFM throttle body.</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT =
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size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT =
face=3DArial color=3Dnavy=20
size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">My=20
experience is in Marine fuel injections based on GM MEFI =
controller. =20
The system I am building is a MEFI 4 based port injected =
system. As=20
far as tweeking the car ECMs there is an abundance of Cals, tuning =
software, and guys that know what they are doing. This setup =
will=20
work; is just the calibrations available will not provide optimum=20
horsepower.</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT =
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size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
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face=3DArial color=3Dnavy=20
size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">Good=20
luck.</SPAN></FONT></P>
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bold">From:</SPAN></B>=20
diy_efi-bounces at diy-efi.org [mailto:diy_efi-bounces at diy-efi.org] =
<B><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Bill =
USN-1<BR><B><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Saturday, August 07, =
2004 9:36=20
PM<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> 'A list =
for=20
Do-It-Yourself EFI'<BR><B><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> RE: [Diy_efi] TBI =
in=20
boat</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><FONT =
face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
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color=3Dnavy=20
size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">Can=20
you put it in the exhaust cross over on the =
intake?</SPAN></FONT></P>
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bold">From:</SPAN></B>=20
diy_efi-bounces at diy-efi.org [mailto:diy_efi-bounces at diy-efi.org] =
<B><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Wallace O.=20
Powelle<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> =
Saturday,=20
August 07, 2004 10:26 PM<BR><B><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> =
diy_efi at diy-efi.org<BR><B><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> [Diy_efi] TBI in=20
boat</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 1.5in"><FONT =
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face=3DArial=20
size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I'm =
going to put=20
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