[Diy_efi] Megasquirt

Sun Feb 20 01:34:34 UTC 2011

Why wait, google FreeEMS, I'm just loading some fresh code to try on my
turbo truck now. It shoudl run its 2nd engine inside the next few hours.
It's all downhill from here. GPL for code, TAPR for hw, all free, all in
git, all well written, more or less. getting there, no time to chatter, but
if you want open projects, use google, freeems isnt the only one out
there...

On Sun, Feb 20, 2011 at 2:32 PM, Avery Nisbet <anisbet at gmail.com> wrote:

> It is very hard to call ether of these projects fully open source.  Im
> still waiting for a project that applies the GPL to everything both
> hardware and software.
>
> At one time you could download the board and the software from VEMS
> without any NDA.
> I think the old board that could not control a Wideband is there
> somewhere if you dig.  I have not been following that project much in
> the last three years or so.
>
> I would also like a project to use a more modern MCU maybe an ARM or
> something.
>
> -Avery
>
> On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 4:49 PM, Fred Cooke <fred.cooke at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Oh yes, you're right, I forgot, they (VEMS) ripped off Innovates ideas
> too!
> > Very ethical people the VEMS crowd ;-)
> >
> > Sure, ms might be a rip off of GM stuff, great, I'm not a fan of
> MegaSquirt
> > AT ALL. However, to say MS is as closed or open as VEMS is false. VEMS is
> > markedly more closed, no download link, no simple conditions, NDA, etc,
> that
> > IS far more closed, period.
> >
> > Fred.
> >
> > On Sun, Feb 20, 2011 at 1:04 PM, Avery Nisbet <anisbet at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Fred, thats a lot like the Pot calling the kettle black.  Megasquirt
> >> is really just a rip off of the GM ecms then.
> >> The code is so similar that you can use megatune's autotune automated
> >> tuning on the GM code58 based bins.
> >>
> >> Vems is just as open or closed as Megasquirt.  Bowling and Gripo
> >> charge for the right to produce the PCB's.
> >> Bowling and Gripo also keep the source to Megasquirt in assembly
> >> langage all in one file.  This makes changing it nearly impossible.
> >> I have a few copies of the Jan-2002 issue of Circuit Celler which has
> >> the article written by Bowling and Gripo that started the whole
> >> megasquirt project.  It outlines all the major parts of the code and
> >> hardware. It's a great howto on writing your own EMS.
> >> I think the VEMS project is just trying to protect their work on
> >> IONSENSE or possible protect themselves from the owners of those
> >> patents.
> >>
> >>
> >> -Avery
> >> 2011/2/19 Fred Cooke <fred.cooke at gmail.com>:
> >> > WHOA, wait a second... VEMS is NOT open source, you need to sign an
> NDA
> >> > to
> >> > get the source. VEMS started life as a rip off of megasquirt, recoding
> >> > the
> >> > assembly code into C for the AVR (MegasquirtAVR), it was cleanly
> written
> >> > and
> >> > marked as "free" but because it was a stolen design the only thing
> free
> >> > about it was that it wasnt on US soil... (couldnt be sued). Soon after
> >> > that
> >> > others got involved and it became very much non-free, if you can
> provide
> >> > a
> >> > current download link to the source, with appropriate licenses, I will
> >> > bend
> >> > over and kiss your arse ;-) I'm not a fan of arse, though, so I must
> be
> >> > pretty damn sure that you're wrong to make that statement.
> >> >
> >> > If you want something Free and Open Source (FOSS) have a google, there
> >> > are
> >> > several projects, mine included.
> >> >
> >> > Fred.
> >> >
> >> > On Sun, Feb 20, 2011 at 5:10 AM, L.J.J. Martens <ljj.martens at home.nl>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Hi Mitch,
> >> >>
> >> >> because of the flexability (turbocharging a four cylinder European
> >> >> Ford) I
> >> >> went the way of an aftermarket ecu. Instead of Megasquirt I used VEMS
> >> >> instead. It comes with a harnes if you like.
> >> >> VEMS is open source.
> >> >> Check it out on http://www.vems.hu/.
> >> >>
> >> >> Regards,
> >> >> Laurens
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> ,----- Original Message -----
> >> >> From: "Mitch Barrie" <mitch at mesatactical.com>
> >> >> To: <diy_efi at diy-efi.org>
> >> >> Sent: Friday, February 18, 2011 11:47 PM
> >> >> Subject: [Diy_efi] Megasquirt
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> >I have been mulling a project for some time (over a decade) and am
> not
> >> >> > sure where to start.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I have a ZZ4 crate motor that I have long wanted to convert to EFI.
> >> >> > There are kits available from people like Holley and Edelbrock for
> >> >> > this
> >> >> > application, but I am more interested in using a standard GM TPI
> >> >> > intake
> >> >> > and manifold.  I could also use the factory electronics, but lately
> I
> >> >> > have been wondering whether using something like Megasquirt might
> >> >> > make
> >> >> > it a little easier of a project.  On the one hand, the factory
> set-up
> >> >> > is
> >> >> > complete, but will require a lot of noodling around to get right.
>  On
> >> >> > the other, the Megasquirt might offer a little more flexibility.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Anyone have any thoughts or suggestions?
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Mitch
> >> >> >
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