3800 series II swap, please read :)

[Shannen Durphey]

Kevin Margitta wrote:
> 

> Well, I've physically looked at the injectors on the rail but out of the
> engine .... and after 30 - 60 mins.. the little clyinders at the tips of the
> injectors are completely filled.. so perhaps it is more than 5 - 10 drops?
> Also , I did look at the book of his that said that 1 drop per minute is
> allowed... however.. I completely agree with you in that they shouldn't leak
> at all.. (one of them is dry as a bone ... it's 5 that are leaking.. two are
> bad, three not so great)
> 
> Cheers ,
> 
> Kevin
>From a service standpoint, I would change the injectors.  Sorry you
have to hear it, but your complaint fits into the typical "oh yeah,
you've got leaking injectors" category.  Try pressing the throttle to
about 1/2 - 3/4 when it would normally require extended cranking and
see if it starts quicker.

Here's the shop procedure.  Complaint recieved: hard start hot,
extended crank time, puff of black smoke and sometimes fuel smell.
(sound familiar?)  Run vehicle until warm, shut off, allow to sit for
1/2 hr or so.  Crank to confirm extended crank time, then press
throttle halfway and crank again.  Usually starts right up.  This
problem seems to be so common, that the next step is to pull the rails
and injectors and look at not how much the injectors are leaking, but
if they're leaking and which ones.  Sometimes only takes turning the
key on to power the pump, and they start leaking.  Cardboard
underneath them allows you to see which ones are bad without standing
by and "watching the pot boil".  Next step?  Replace the leakers.  I
think that I mentioned the last set we bought cost about $24/injector
for new units from GM.
Shannen