Accel AS&M S&P Follow up

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First, good luck finding a manifold w/o the DFI.  I've
tried.  Second, how much is the FP ECM?  How much is
the Wide-band O2 sensor?  The batch fire version with
the wide-band O2 is $2000 and the sequential version
is $2700!  

Here's the part number for the Accel superram intake:
N/A.  That's what my accel catalog says.  

None of this means anything if you have $10000 to
spend on your injection.

How much do you want to spend?

Andy
p.s. if you want to mix and match, buy the accel
single-plane intake.  It comes with rails pre-machined
and the bosses are cast and machined into the intake
(and you can buy it separately for $450 from jegs and
summit).  Then you get the injectors, harness,
computer, etc that you want.  With your setup, the
single-plane will prolly be a better choice for
upper-RPM flow.  Maybe not.

--- Greg Hermann <bearbvd at sni.net> wrote:
> >--- "Chris G. Lucas" <tagurit at wwisp.com> wrote:
> >> Do they offer the SupeRam stand-alone, no
> computer?
> >> I would like that.
> >
> >No.  You must buy the whole system with DFI ECM.
> 
> I believe that this is an incorrect statement. If
> you cannot find it, I
> will look up a part #. Let me know.
> >
> >
> >> >If you are going TPI, I would suggest taking a
> HARD
> >> look at the F-P
> >> >performance (Fel-Pro/Federal Mogul) SEFI8LO
> >> computer, and seriously
> >> >consider spending some extra bucks for the wide
> >> band O2 option for it.
> >
> >Super bucks.  Mega bucks.  I forgot to point out
> >before that this is the MOST expensive option.
> 
> If you think FP is expensive--check out MoTeC of EFI
> Technology!!!! Yeeee
> Hawww!!
> The FP is rather good value for the dollar if you
> compare features,
> programmability, etc. with the DFI unit, for not a
> lot more money. Pay
> particular attention to the minimum incremental
> adjustment to injector
> pulse width which is possible with each of these
> units when looking at
> features. This factor becomes VERY important when
> trying to tune a big
> motor to have decent street manners, as compared to
> just trying to get it
> to run down a 1/4 mile!
> 
> As I said before--the Autronics unit offers the
> same, maybe more features
> as the FP, for maybe a bit less money, but is not as
> friendly to
> program--although it IS VERY programmable.
> 
>  It
> >runs great, but you must ask yourself if it is
> worth
> >the extra thousands of dollars.
> 
> Hardly. Check it out. Info from elsewhere:
> --------------------
> For folks searching for information pertaining to
> Speed-Pro Electronics
> Engine Management Systems (formerly Fel-Pro or FP
> Performance) here is a
> link:
> 
> http://www.tciauto.com/ecu/index_spe.htm
> 
> -----------------------
> >
> >> I have heard good stuff about it, but they don't
> >> sell a manifold system,
> >> do they?
> 
> The big Accel manifold is pretty decent, and should
> be available
> separately, if not from Accel, from Lingenfelter.
> >
> >And there is no manifold system, just
> harness/ECM/O2
> >combos.
> 
> So get the manifold, injectors , rails, and
> regulator from Accel, the
> wiring and electronics from F-P.
> >
> >> -----------------------------------
> >> >
> >> >I personally would not touch either of the other
> >> options (besides DFI)
> >> that
> >> >you mentioned with YOUR ten foot pole!
> >> -----------------------------------
> >> Curious, could you say why?
> 
> Because of ease and accuracy of tuning issues.
> >
> >The S&P is a great option, possibly the best if you
> >are willing to spend some time re-working the
> tables
> >in the ECM (Its a GM 730).
> >
> >> Degrees Duration @ .050 Int./Exh.= 226/234
> >> Degrees Advertised Duration Int./Exh. 288/296
> >
> >This is cammy in my book.
> 
> Me too. I would go with the MSD's for this one.
> >
> >> >get your engine to idle and do light loads with
> the
> >> MSD's, if it has a
> >> big
> >> >cam, even though their fuel atomization is not
> >> quite as good as you get
> >>
> >> >with the Bosch pieces.
> >
> >With this cam, i don't see how anyone could even
> tell
> >the difference in idle spray patterns.
> 
> It's done with high speed photography---
> 
> Regards, Greg
> 
> 
> 

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