Scope pics...

don.broadus at exeloncorp.com don.broadus at exeloncorp.com
Tue Nov 14 19:55:33 GMT 2000 

can you say Plasma ignition

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	David Cooley [SMTP:n5xmt at triad.rr.com]
> Sent:	Tuesday, November 14, 2000 10:14 AM
> To:	gmecm at diy-efi.org
> Subject:	RE: Scope pics...
> 
> Imagine the plug wires you'd need to control that!!!!
> 
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> David Cooley N5XMT Internet: N5XMT at triad.rr.com
> I am Pentium of Borg... Division is Futile!
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-gmecm at diy-efi.org [mailto:owner-gmecm at diy-efi.org]On Behalf
> > Of don.broadus at exeloncorp.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2000 10:33 AM
> > To: gmecm at diy-efi.org
> > Subject: RE: Scope pics...
> >
> >
> > I have seen a photo on the Tesla WEB ring of what you describe 8-10 foot
> > streamers inside this guys garage, we are talking ILLUMINATION !!!!!
> > Morepower I say crank it up.
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From:	David Cooley [SMTP:n5xmt at triad.rr.com]
> > > Sent:	Tuesday, November 14, 2000 9:02 AM
> > > To:	gmecm at diy-efi.org
> > > Subject:	RE: Scope pics...
> > >
> > > Somewhere, I have plans for using a "POLE PIG" as the step up to the
> > > primary
> > > of the tesla coil...
> > > Supposed to be able to get 8-10 foot arcs from the tesla coil with
> this
> > > setup...
> > >
> > >
> > > ==================================================
> > > David Cooley N5XMT Internet: N5XMT at triad.rr.com
> > > I am Pentium of Borg... Division is Futile!
> > > ==================================================
> > >
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: owner-gmecm at diy-efi.org
> > [mailto:owner-gmecm at diy-efi.org]On Behalf
> > > > Of don.broadus at exeloncorp.com
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2000 9:41 AM
> > > > To: gmecm at diy-efi.org
> > > > Subject: RE: Scope pics...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > it's either the arc master or arc starter page  the guy is awesome.
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From:	Bruce Plecan [SMTP:nacelp at bright.net]
> > > > > Sent:	Monday, November 13, 2000 8:06 PM
> > > > > To:	gmecm at diy-efi.org
> > > > > Subject:	Re: Scope pics...
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I've heard of a guy over one one of the sister  lists here,
> > that has a
> > > > > power
> > > > > pole tranformer hooked up as a tesla coil.
> > > > >   Doc really wants to see it in action
> > > > > Bruce
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Yep, i shudda listened to my first instinct to shut up.
> > > > > > then after more reflection...I still shudda shut up.
> > > > > > Still more reflection on the resemblence of an
> > > > > > ignition coil to a Tesla coil, yeah---fed with a
> > > > > > high freqUENCY SOURCE --THIS COULD WORK!!
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > (please disregaurd any futher blithering--off the deep end)
> > > > > > Gerald
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: <don.broadus at exeloncorp.com>
> > > > > > To: <gmecm at diy-efi.org>
> > > > > > Sent: Monday, November 13, 2000 7:55 AM
> > > > > > Subject: RE: Scope pics...
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Obewahn : I feel a tremor in the list Bruce
> > > > > > > Bruce:    There is a lot of stubbornness in this one Gerald
> > > > > > >               Obewahn
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > From: Gerald Pelnar [SMTP:wd0fyf at mpks.net]
> > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2000 1:01 AM
> > > > > > > > To: gmecm at diy-efi.org
> > > > > > > > Cc: DIY-EFI
> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Scope pics...
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Hey Bruce--
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I thought this was on DIY instead of GMECM.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Anyway, you have put forth a very good explanation. The only
> > > > > > > > problem I see, which may be a sticking point, is your
> > use of A/C
> > > > > > > > rather than a more accurate discription of varying DC. AC
> > > > > > > > implies the current alternates (changes direction) which
> > > > it doesn't,
> > > > > > > > except for some of the ocillations after the spark
> > extinguishes,
> > > > > where
> > > > > > > > the voltage may drop below zero.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Gerald Pelnar
> > > > > > > > wd0fyf at mpks.net
> > > > > > > > http://www.mpks.net/homepage/wd0fyf/
> > > > > > > > McPherson, KS
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > From: Bruce Plecan <nacelp at bright.net>
> > > > > > > > To: <gmecm at diy-efi.org>
> > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, November 10, 2000 10:38 PM
> > > > > > > > Subject: Fw: Scope pics...
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Thanks Shannen
> > > > > > > > > If ya all (who are still interested), look at this, maybe
> we
> > > can
> > > > > get
> > > > > > > > > somewhere.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > >
> http://www.aeswave.com/framedcatalog/product_0112sec.htm#accessories
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Starting at the left edge:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Is a *12* volt signal,  then we have the points close
> > > > signal (note
> > > > > > there
> > > > > > > > are
> > > > > > > > > coil condenser oscillations {ie A/C}), As the coil
> saturates
> > > you
> > > > > see
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > voltage build, then the point open signal a huge vertical
> > > spike,
> > > > > note
> > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > the are some *notches* *steps* as the voltage is at or
> near
> > > the
> > > > > max
> > > > > > > > voltage,
> > > > > > > > > these are the coil oscillations of the *ringing of the
> > > > collapsing*
> > > > > > > > fields,
> > > > > > > > > *typically* this spike is around 25Kv, and is when the
> > > > ionization
> > > > > is
> > > > > > > > forming
> > > > > > > > > between the electrodes, finally there is an arc
> > over, and the
> > > > > *firing
> > > > > > > > line*
> > > > > > > > > reflects that with a horizontial segment (again typ. 12
> > > > Kv), that
> > > > > can
> > > > > > > > vary
> > > > > > > > > (at idle) from .7 to 1.8 msec. that is the time where
> > > > there is an
> > > > > > > > > established arc.  Once there is no longer enough *ions*
> > > between
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > electrodes, the voltage is no longer high enough to
> maintain
> > > an
> > > > > arc
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > arc stops, and there is the large drop to 0 and
> > even slightly
> > > > > less.
> > > > > > > > But,
> > > > > > > > > there is the current that was shut off still ringing in
> > > > the system
> > > > > > > > remember
> > > > > > > > > the points are still open so there is still energy to
> > > disipate,
> > > > > we
> > > > > > ran
> > > > > > > > out
> > > > > > > > > of ions for a 12Kv path so we have 11.5Kv (about) that
> will
> > > have
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > disipate, and then we have the large coil condneser
> > > > oscillations.
> > > > > > Then
> > > > > > > > we
> > > > > > > > > go off screen, and would again begin at the l/h border,
> > > > and begin
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > cycle
> > > > > > > > > all over again.
> > > > > > > > >    Other then at the + side of the coil everything else is
> > > > > voltages
> > > > > > from
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > collapsing fields weither charging or discharging,  the
> > > > coil, A/C
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Take a transformer,
> > > > > > > > >    Put a meter across  the secondary posts,
> > > > > > > > >    Apply power to the primary,  secondary pegs for
> > an instant,
> > > > > then
> > > > > > goes
> > > > > > > > 0,
> > > > > > > > > with the primary is still on, remove primary voltage
> another
> > > > > spike,
> > > > > > > > again
> > > > > > > > > output goes to 0.   Transformers don't work on a strickly
> DC
> > > > > > component,
> > > > > > > > > That's the best I can do.
> > > > > > > > > Slice it anyway you want but that is the only circumstance
> > > that
> > > > > > explains
> > > > > > > > all
> > > > > > > > > the conditions for a Waste spark.   IE one plug, can fire
> > > > > reguardless
> > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > is going on with the other.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Take a convention autotransformer with a point open
> > > > signal the one
> > > > > > side
> > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > the secondary is only to 12+ thru the primary.   Since
> > > > one side of
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > secondary is open to ground I guess the plug never fires.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > You check for spark with a grounded tester so that there
> is
> > > some
> > > > > > control
> > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > spark energy.
> > > > > > > > > Opening both sides of a secondary side of ignition coil
> > > > will force
> > > > > > then
> > > > > > > > > spark energy to disipate somewhere, and that is what ever
> is
> > > the
> > > > > path
> > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > least resistance.   If the points are open the A/C will
> > > > just ride
> > > > > > along
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > 12+ supply side just fine.   Well til the capacidance (?)
> of
> > > the
> > > > > > battery
> > > > > > > > > *absorbs* it...
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > HTH
> > > > > > > > > Bruce
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