Jet Performance scam and others

[Programmer]

Jeff,
I hate coming to someone elses defence, not knowing both sides of the
story, but what vehicle, etc...Prom, Memcal did you have ? I know SC brings
in a vehicle and tests if it's something they're
clueless on--they use an emulator on stuff they've never worked on. When
you buy a Vortec SC for your vehicle--guess who's done the chip program ?
If the vehicle is something they doubt they'll do much volume on, they'll
take
an educated guess at where the vehicle will run at which "x" values
on a table. Lets face it--any mass produced product can be made better.
There's probably better tuning people on this list, than any mass purchased
product that's available...and having looked at most of 'em, SC has done
the most changes on any one table than anyone else has.
I know that I've even sent out chips and people can't follow simple
instructions and end up installing stuff backwards. SChips has a 30 day
moneyback
guarantee no questions asked and a lifetime warranty on the chip...are you
really sure it was the same company ? I don't see anyone else offering that
warranty...but I could be wrong...I know you're usually stuck with what you
buy.
Lyndon.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff M <tystorm at email.msn.com>
To: gmecm at diy-efi.org <gmecm at diy-efi.org>
Date: September 29, 2000 7:48 PM
Subject: Re: Jet Performance scam and others


>I have a bit of spice to add to this soup (Habanero style), back long
before
>I decided to really get into detailing/breaking-out for myself the chip in
>my car, I decided to take the aftermarket route and called and found only
>one who would tackle the job of doing a performance chip (all the big names
>including the "main man" Ron Zimmer declined no matter what ($)).  The one
>fish I found was Max RPM out of FL (different name now, duh!).  They said
>they could do it but since it was a first, it would be a custom chip
>requiring an additional $75 above the standard price of $156.00.  Chip
>arrives and it does not even pass ign-on without the main cooling fan
coming
>of and the system rejecting the contents! (check-sum or whatever).  I
>decided to compare the chip to my stock one and found they scrambled it
>quite well so there was not way to easily figure out their mistakes, but
for
>sure my ECM would only be running limp-mode if I was stupid enough to use
>it.  After deciding that it was a failure, I called and asked for a refund
>(now from PDQ Mail & More who was the addressie (?)).  They could not
>authorize the refund and ask I call the programmer at this number (##).
>After I call the number, I FIND THE PROGRAMMER WORKS FOR SUPERCHIPS!,
>CONFLICT OF INTEREST HERE?  Long story short, the programmer says that no
>one there at his shop (SuperChips) can figure out (or wants to for any
>price, no surprise since Ron Z turned it down) the chip and all of its
>contents (its twice the size of most), so then I should get a full refund?
>ahhh, no way and after many calls, give up and accept the $156 refund.
>
>Way aside from that, once you do figure out your chip, road tuning as it
has
>been said here before, is the best way to start.  Then dyno to save time
and
>engine less you got lots of time to be accelerating into all loads and rpms
>and temps on the road without pissing people off and/or attracting a
lighted
>authority figure ;-(.
>
>Jeff M.
>
>> To their credit (possibly?) S*PERCHIPS actually develops and runs their
>> product on a DYNO(?). thats what thwir website said. I got to talk with
>them
>> a few times trying to get a chip for my GP alot of years ago and they
said
>> bring the car to FLA and they can "try". Anyone had experience with this
>cal
>> maker's product? I beleive it is "secured" behind a translator or
>> something - pretty cool.
>
>> > Yep--their calibration is hid so well that THEY don't even
>> > know what they did <BG>. Performance packaging--all
>> > the performance is in the package. Ever notice how well your
>> > car goes after you do a battery disconnect ?? ;  )
>> > Lyndon.
>
>> > >I recently got a buddy interested in performance tuning GM engines.
He
>> has
>> > >a 92 Isuzu Rodeo, with a GM 3.1 V6.  It uses a 1228838 ECU, and has
the
>> > ANFK
>> > >calibration.
>> > >
>> > >Back in '94, he had bought a 'performance' chip from Jet Performance
>> > >Products.  Today, we read his original EPROM, and found that the
>> > >'performance' EPROM had the SAME IDENTICAL IMAGE on it as was on the
>> > >original factory chip!
>> > >
>> > >What gives?  Did Jet somehow 'hide' their calibration (I don't see how
>> this
>> > >is possible on a 2732 EPROM), or did they just plain scam him for
$120?
>> > >BTW- he did not receive a CALPAK- this is not a removeable chip on the
>> > ISUZU
>> > >'8838.
>
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