WB vrs NB info

[ae2598 at wayne.edu]

Hmm.. Is this strictly involving the "pigtail" hanging off the sensor, or
the entire circuit leading up to the ECM?  In other words, if the
connection were to get damaged on the harness side, is it acceptable to
solder it?  If not, are there ANY acceptable repair methods?  I can't
believe you'd actually have to replace the whole harness if you wanted to
do it right! :)

Kevin

 On Tue, 14 Aug 2001, John Lamb wrote:

> Brian.
> I have a paper somewhere in my files on the chracteristics of EGT vs ZrO
> O2 calibration. The effect is quite significant.
> I will send it to you when I get time to dig it out.
> It is not wise to solder the O2 lead, according to the Helms, however
> the reason they give no longer is valid.  The new O2's have outside
> ambient airports built into the sensor body. One of the potential
> problems is dissimilar metals at the junction of the splice which
> creates a T/C junction inducing bias millivolts.
> JL
> 
> Brian L Massey wrote:
> > 
> > On Fri, 14 Aug 1998 01:34:00 -0400 "Bruce" <nacelp at bright.net> writes:
> > > Just dawned on me you must have missed my posting from a couple
> > > weeks ago, when I mentioned moving the O2 sensor from pre turbo to 4'
> > post
> > > turbo, and
> > > lost about 50mv of O2 reading.  No other changes noted, as far as
> > > MPG, or O2
> > > cross counts, strange PWs or anything of that nature.
> > 
> > Nope, didn't miss it at all. But since that change involves both major
> > changes in EGT *and* pressure at the same time, that's just all you
> > learned..."things changed a bit". But we still don't know if it was the
> > pressure or temp (or a combo of both) that caused the change. All I was
> > saying is, lets have discussion on it and maybe others like John have
> > something to contribute to the subject.
> > 
> > >   Now with this as a given, can you see where they would be
> > > backpressure sensitive?.
> > > how about the lack of not knowing this and making inaccurate
> > > statements.
> > 
> > Yes, Bruce, I know that the sensors bleed to outside air. And no I don't
> > need to saw one in two; I've seen drawings and discussion of how they are
> > made. Yes, I understand there's a potential issue with the effect of
> > backpressure. What I was after was *quantifying* it. That's what I asked
> > for; I wasn't claiming *no effect* by asking you if you "had any data
> > that quantified EGT & backpressure's effect on o2 sensors". I was simply
> > asking if there was any data that showed what the relationship was for
> > each of these parameters.
> > 
> > Here, I'll ask it again; does anyone have any data or references that
> > show the effect of EGT or backpressure on o2 sensors, either NB or WB?
> > Actually, there has already been some info posted for a Bosch sensor that
> > showed the sensitivity to EGT, and that showed there *wasn't* any change
> > in the stoich point, but I don't recall anything on backpressure ever
> > being posted. That's what I was trying to learn about.
> > 
> > As far as "not knowing this and making inaccurate statements", all I can
> > say is, umm, wow. Hope you get your meds straightened out. Meanwhile, you
> > might want to return to signing your posts with "Grumpy", like you used
> > to. (See, I *have* read the archives :).
> > 
> > Cheerio,
> > Brian
> > 
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