[Gmecm] SAturn engine swap

Jeff Silva low_sl2
Tue Nov 29 03:04:58 UTC 2005 

We have a guy talking to TunerCat right now.  They don't seem to
ecstatic about it.  I've been thinking of throwing some money their way
but I dont like to give a company money to make something that they'll
turn around and make money off of.  Which means I just paid for their
R&D.  

Jeff Silva
DifferentRacing.com


--- David Allen <davida1 at hiwaay.net> wrote:

>   Have you e-mailed TunerCat?  They have some def files that are not
> listed
> on the "supported ECM" list. They had a 2-bar def for the little
> 1226869 I
> am using in my car, but it is not listed on the site. As many Saturns
> as are
> out there, surely TunerCat would have a demand for this definition.
>    Good luck with the turbo.  I ran into this buying what was
> supposedly a
> Spal (http://www.spalusa.com) radiator fan but it was a Chinese
> counterfeit.
> The motor was half the size of the real thing, and the plastic molded
> fan
> rotor was warped and out of balance.
>   After being exposed to the heat of a radiator, the rotor warped so
> badly
> it got in the radiator. Thankfully the plastic was so cheap and soft
> it
> deformed before cutting the radiator core.
>   And it was SUPER weak and would barely cool the 305 engine. Running
> the
> A/C was WAY out of the question...
>   You could see where they had taken a real Spal fan and used it for
> a
> pattern to make a mold.  The Spal logo was still slightly visible, as
> were
> CAST IN vestiges of where the fan they copied had balancing weights
> on it.
> The fake one had cast-in "bumps" that were shaped like clip-on
> balance
> weights. Unreal.
>   Later,
> David
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Jeff Silva" <low_sl2 at yahoo.com>
> To: <gmecm at diy-efi.org>
> Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 5:55 PM
> Subject: Re: [Gmecm] SAturn engine swap
> 
> 
> > Thanks for checking out our website.  We aim to please. ;)
> >
> > We're still trying to get that company to take this turbo back. 
> But
> > they're not answering their e-mails or phones.  So I'm stuck with a
> > $205 freight bill for this turbo...
> >
> > Now can someone help me with this .BIN file I have of a Saturn
> EPROM?
> > :)
> >
> > http://www.differentracing.com/jeff/pcm/94_dohc_fed.bin
> >
> > Jeff Silva
> > DifferentRacing.com
> >
> >
> > --- David Allen <davida1 at hiwaay.net> wrote:
> >
> > >   Jeff, I like your Different Racing website! Found your Chinese
> > > turbo story
> > > particularly amusing. I can definately relate to that! I debated
> on
> > > wether
> > > to buy a Turbonetics unit or a knock-off and am glad I chose the
> real
> > > McCoy.
> > > Turbonetics knows their stuff and got me exactly the right turbo
> for
> > > the
> > > application.
> > >   Once you've done a certain job several times it goes quicker. I
> > > certainly
> > > see what you are claiming is possible on the engine R&I.
> > >   Years ago (highschool age) a friend and I pulled the 440-T4
> > > automatic
> > > transaxle out of a FWD Buick Lesabre.  We dropped it out below,
> > > letting the
> > > engine hang by 2x4 boards and chain.  It was a very dangerous
> > > exercise and
> > > we broke some parts in the process. I would never recommend this
> > > approach on
> > > such a heavy transmission.  It is easier to pull the drivetrain
> as an
> > > assy
> > > from above on these cars.
> > >   These cars have a large heavy 6 cyl engine and 4 speed auto
> trans.
> > > The
> > > board sagged and nothing lined back up.  We had to jack the
> engine
> > > around
> > > and shim up the board to get it back into position.  After the
> trans
> > > was
> > > reconnected with 2 bolts, the 2x4 broke.  The whole drivetrain
> fell
> > > into the
> > > engine cradle and very nearly knocked the car off the stands. It
> > > cracked one
> > > "ear" of the trans bellhousing and bent the driveplate.  The car
> ran
> > > but
> > > with a vibration in the engine.
> > >   After that fiasco, we borrowed an engine lift and pulled the
> > > assembly "the
> > > right way" to replace the bent driveplate.  Live and learn!
> > > David
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: "Jeff Silva" <low_sl2 at yahoo.com>
> > > To: <gmecm at diy-efi.org>
> > > Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 3:45 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [Gmecm] SAturn engine swap
> > >
> > >
> > > > Like I said before.  I've done this over a dozen times.  It can
> be
> > > > done.  You just use a load tilter.  It's easy.
> > > >
> > > > Jeff Silva
> > > > DifferentRacing.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- Andrew Gibson <andrewsharyn at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Little tilt huh? Then why need the load tilter? I would like
> to
> > > see
> > > > > any virgin engine get pulled out of a fwd car in less than 1
> hour
> > > > > without breaking anything in the process. Now offence Jeff
> but
> > > what
> > > > > you are describing time wise is just not possible. Maybe you
> > > could
> > > > > tilt the motor enough to get it out the top. But that is
> still a
> > > lot
> > > > > of work. I'll stick to dropping them out the bottom.
> > > > >
> > > > >   Oh, by the way I live in Utah. And I need to pull the motor
> out
> > > of
> > > > > my donor truck this weekend before it snows again. I would
> like
> > > to
> > > > > see pictures of how much tilt it take to get these out the
> top
> > > > > though.
> > > > >
> > > > >   Just for the record, Cinder blocks stacked in a pyramid
> with
> > > the
> > > > > open end up and 2x4 on top to keep the pinchweld from digging
> > > into
> > > > > the mortar are far more stable than any jackstand out there.
> > > > > Something about a wider base....
> > > > >
> > > > >
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